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Re: Succession of the Lakota Nation !!!!!
Thu, December 20, 2007 - 3:59 PMoops....spelling error Secession....is what i meant to say.
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Re: Succession of the Lakota Nation !!!!!
Mon, December 24, 2007 - 11:00 AMIt will be worth watching what happens next! -
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Re: Succession of the Lakota Nation !!!!!
Mon, December 31, 2007 - 10:56 PMLet's put this to bed shall we? .... from White Wolf's tribe:
I do not know who Kelly is. I received this in an email and being as they are talking of a gathering in Rapid City, felt it was news worthy to forward.]
From President Rodney Bordeaux of Rosebud Reservation
Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:57 am (PST)
Hello all, I spoke to the President of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe, Rodney M. Bordeaux, just a short while ago and he has given me permission to say that it is highly unfortunate that this group of individuals inappropriately tried to represent the Lakota Nations. President Bordeaux informed me that the Lakota Nations will be meeting in Rapid City, South Dakota tomorrow to discuss this matter in full. As he said, "These people do not speak on our behalf."
Bordeaux was contacted by KSTP AM out of Minneapolis and he spoke on the air earlier today. In addition, Gannet News contacted Bordeaux for a comment. Gannet News is owned by the Sioux Falls Argus Leader.
As you can see this is leading to a mess out in Indian Country. I also contacted the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe as well as other Lakota
Nations. Each are sending a representative to the meeting in Rapid City tomorrow. I am certain they will provide an official press
release from the Lakota Oyate in the near future.
As unfortunate as it is there are people who think that they speak for all of us in matters of such complicated and historical significance. The last time I checked none of these individuals were official representatives of the Lakota Oyate. It is very Lakota to stand up and announce yourself and take an individualistic perspective. That we know from the many groups and individuals that went against what their leaders told them or agreed to in Washington or agency delegations. Knowing how our traditional methods of consesus agreement impacted each and everyone of us, both negatively and positively, after the treaties were signed each time and how we either adhered to those treaties or disagreed with them as individuals or groups, it is very much so easy to see how this group of individuals would take it upon themselves to make such a bold statement. But that is all that it is, a statement. What did they do, burn their tribal ID's?
My great great grandfather Wambdi Mani signed the Ft. Laramie Treaty of 1868. I would be mistaken to say that I knew what he was feeling as he put pen to paper. I would be mistaken to try and comprehend what it must be like for the leaders then or now and how they struggle with being responsible and accountable to their people.
I know that each of us as Lakota people struggle with the disparities and issues that confront our nations. I know Phyllis Young. I know she would not make such a bold statement without feeling backed into a corner. Yet what would cause an individual to go against their nation. I wish all of them the best as they will each now have to deal with the political ramifications of what they have done, and with the good, bad and holy of what will become of the mess they have created for us as a people. Who was in this group of "leaders"? Did they consult with
anyone before going forward? Did they officially renounce their Lakota or American citizenship? If so, the clock is ticking! Does this mean they are no longer "dual citizens" of any nation? Where will they go? Should the tribes take away their membership? So they are going to set up a border. Will there be a chain link fence? Or will we play by the old rules? If so, then all Anishnabeg and Crow had better be on the look out. This is all rediculous. Thanks Russell for taking a lead role once again. Maybe he is a true Maqua.
Someone should ask his former wife. Can anyone offer to give him a lesson in International and Federal Indian Law?
Have a blessed holiday all,
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Re: Succession of the Lakota Nation !!!!!
Thu, January 3, 2008 - 3:21 PMthis is one of those situation in which I believe Cascadians (of all ancestory) should support with public ceremony and public events of support.. ideally with a video camera that can be then put on YouTube as a supportive movement for the Lakota Sioux
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Re: Succession of the Lakota Nation !!!!!
Fri, January 4, 2008 - 12:08 AMlet's put this to bed shall we???
that is a really useless statement.
There are some interesting legal issues brought up with this action.
I am not a lawyer and I don't know anything about tribal/'indian' law in the USA.
I was hoping for some discussion of the issues of property rights and treaties that are (while not resolved) highlighted by R. Means.
if no one knows anything about it, please enlighten us -
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Re: Succession of the Lakota Nation !!!!!
Sat, January 5, 2008 - 4:42 PMit not useless... the whole thing was a hoax... -
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Re: Succession of the Lakota Nation !!!!!
Sat, January 5, 2008 - 10:27 PMThanks, LLB, for helping to set the record straight on this matter. This would be a huge story if it were true, & I'm sure many of us wish it were true, but wishing does not make it so. Unfortunately, this story seems to be floating around a lot of places I look without any attempts to either corroborate or debunk it.
Do you have any followup info about the gathering of tribal reps mentioned? I've been looking in vain for any official statements from Lakota leaders. Most of the info I've seen has been from Lakota individuals who say that Means is part of a self-appointed group of "leaders" who have no authority to speak on behalf of the Lakota nation. I tend to believe them, but it would be good to get something more substantive from whatever leaders *do* have some authority to speak on behalf of Lakota peoples. On the other hand, I know sometimes tribal politics can get pretty complex & its not easy to determine who are legitimate tribal leaders. Sometimes "official" leaders exist merely to function as a liaison with the US government & to sell off native resources to corporations.
Where can we get the best info about who's who & what's really going on in this situation?
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Re: Succession of the Lakota Nation !!!!!
Thu, January 17, 2008 - 1:13 PMwhether or not the whole thing was a "hoax" as most political actions are, the issue of legal property rights that it was designed to highlight is still there.
do you have anything useful to say about that?
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